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British Skat Association • View topic - Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Discussion of hands from past BSkA tournaments (or other events) and how they were bid and played. Skat problems. General discussion of strategy and tactics.

Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Postby Gustavo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:50 am

I was HH in the hand below. By trick 5 I had the remaining 2 trumps. After trying to fish for the Ace of Spaces on trick 6 I obviously knew it was with FH and my Spades 10 was lost. By trick On trick 8 I trumped the Diamond 7 and immediately realised my mistake: I should have thrown the Spades 10 away in order to capture the last two tricks and the Ace of Spades with it.

Some might say that my mistake was way earlier, back on trick 4. Here I could have played Spades 10 instead of the D. If FH had the Ace of Spades (which he did), he would have cut my Spades 10, in which case I would have two guaranteed tricks in Spades with KD for later; otherwise he would have played a looser and I would have got that trick with my 10.

The question is: when holding 10-K-D, do you usually play the 10 to make the Ace fall and have the lead on the suit, or do you try to fish for it with K or D? What if the situation was 10-K-9, would you still play the 10?

Hands like this are the reason why this game is so fascinating!

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Re: Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Postby John McLeod » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:04 pm

I think you need to do a calculation, which on this hand is relatively easy. After trick 3 you know that the trumps are 3-2 so you will lose exactly three tricks: one in trumps (15 points), one in diamonds (quite likely 21 points) and one in spades. By playing the 10 of spades on trick 4 you limit the number of points you can lose in this trick to 21 and thereby guarantee to win the game if they beat the 10 with their ace, so this is what you ought to do. If the SA does not appear and you win the trick with your S10 you are still safe. You will lose a spade to the ace later but the third player has nothing better than a king left to smear for 19 points - all the aces and tens are already accounted for.

Your general question depends on a similar sort of assessment. From 10-K-Q you lead the 10 first if you can afford to lose 21 points. If you can't afford that you start with the king and hope that the suit breaks 2-2 or that the ace is singleton or is played prematurely. With 10-K-9 the decision is more difficult because if the suit breaks 3-1 you are liable to lose 2 tricks. I think in many cases I would try to avoid leading that suit and hope that the opponents open it for me. If my RHO led a small one through me I would probably put in the 9: if the third player takes with the queen at least I have got rid of that loser quite cheaply and moved the lead to my left. If my RHO led the queen I would probably cover it with the king. But it does all depend on the particular hand and how many points you need or can afford to lose.
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Re: Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Postby Gustavo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:14 pm

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Re: Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Postby John McLeod » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:15 am

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Re: Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Postby Mike Tobias » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:40 am

In that game, I'd discard the D7 on the first trick, losing only 11pts and keeping the lead where I want it. Then when I get in, I'd lead the top two trumps. Although normally you want to win the third trump trick, in that instance, a 3-2 split either lets you capture HJ and therefore the rest, or concedes a maximum 13pt trick.
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Re: Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Postby Gustavo » Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:01 am

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Re: Two missed chances of throwing a 10 away

Postby Mike Tobias » Sat Apr 08, 2017 1:17 pm

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