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British Skat Association • View topic - Missed Grand Ouvert

Missed Grand Ouvert

Discussion of hands from past BSkA tournaments (or other events) and how they were bid and played. Skat problems. General discussion of strategy and tactics.

Missed Grand Ouvert

Postby Mike Tobias » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:25 am

Had this hand as Forehand playing online last week

J C,S
S A
H A,10,Q,7
D A,10,7

Saw it was an unbeatable Grand Hand, but completely missed the GO possibility until after the first trick. Sure enough, the red suits both split.

I had two GOs on the against computer opponents earlier in the year, but this would've been my first ever against real people.
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Re: Missed Grand Ouvert

Postby John McLeod » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:36 pm

In my view this is definitely not worth a Grand Ouvert unless there is a some sort of special prize for it, because it is only around an evens chance that diamonds will split. I would be content to announce Schneider.
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Re: Missed Grand Ouvert

Postby Mike Tobias » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:15 pm

Viewed as a percentage play, you're right. A Grand Ouvert has to be a certainty (all but) to make it a correct bid. In fact, I WOULDN'T announce Schneider on that hand because if neither suit splits favourably, 2 tricks are lost, very likely containing 3 big ones.

But how many Grand Ouverts do you get in a lifetime? Including the one above, I've had four opportunities this year, none of them worth playing on a percentage basis.

Middlehand
J C,H,D
C A,!0,K,8
S A,10,7
Needs spades to split, and not be trumped by hinterhand in clubs. The other Jack was in the Skat and the spades did split.

Forehand
J C,H
C A,10,K,8
H A,10,K,7
Just needed Jacks to split, which they did.

The above hand which would have won had I spotted it, and on Sunday between sessions:

Forehand
J C,S,H
C A,10,Q
H A,K,x,x
Probably only one chance in six, the H10 was in the Skat, but Roland had K,x,x in Clubs, so that one went off. I don't think I'd have played it in a tournament, but there was nothing riding on it, so why not?
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