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Session 2 hand 5 -- Grand against 4

PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:39 pm
by Patrick Phair

Re: Session 2 hand 5 -- Grand against 4

PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:11 pm
by Mike Tobias
Another option if you think the game has become high risk due to the bidding, is to play Hearts without 7.

As HH has bid 55, in either case I would discard SAS10.

Re: Session 2 hand 5 -- Grand against 4

PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:45 pm
by Patrick Phair
I am surprised at the suggestion of discarding SA and S10. While the bidding to 55 increases the chance of a spade void it doesn't promise one, while the unfortunate presence of a club in the skat means that I know the second round won't stand up.

Hearts against seven costs 160 if it fails, while clubs against four costs only 120, or 144 if I am schneidered. Therefore to go for it I must deem there to be a significant chance of making, but not enough that the original call of Grand should be preferred.

Thinking about this suggested an obscure query about the rules. Suppose that a jack in the skat means that I need schneider to fulfil my bid. Then if I take 31 to 89 points I go off, with one extra multiplier for overbidding. Is the score the same if the defence makes schneider? (Presumably it is more if they make schwarz.)

Patrick

Re: Session 2 hand 5 -- Grand against 4

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:13 am
by John McLeod
To answer your last question, the score is the same if the defence make Schneider. Your bid rounded up to the next multiple of your contract base value and doubled is the minimum you can lose. You only lose more than that if the game value doubled is more than that minimum.