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British Skat Association • View topic - Is it bad to have seven trumps?
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Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:49 am
by nswedd

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:13 pm
by John McLeod

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:36 pm
by Mike Tobias
Strange, my earlier reply has disappeared.

I would definitely play Spades, the Clubs TKQ7 is an excellent side suit, winning three tricks including the ten

I had a hand last night where I chose six trumps over seven for similar reasons.

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:48 pm
by Patrick Phair
I don't remember my thinking on Nick's hand, though I do remember that almost all my six-trump holdings on Saturday met 4-1 breaks.

An interesting further point about this hand: if you are playing in spades and a diamond is led, presumably you ruff. But with what?

Patrick

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:58 pm
by John McLeod
I think I would ruff with the 10 of trumps, draw 2 rounds of trumps, and then if the HJ had not fallen I would start leading hearts.

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:54 pm
by Patrick Phair
OK -- that's probably right.

How about if the heart suit were solid?

Patrick

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:56 am
by John McLeod
You mean something like J:CSD, C:--, S:T97, H:ATK7, D:-- with DT and SQ in the skat? In that case I would play Grand and ruff a diamond lead with SJ.

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:12 am
by Patrick Phair
OK, that looks reasonable. Suppose the discards are D9 and C9, making the Grand less attractive.

Patrick

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:11 am
by John McLeod
I think I would still play Grand. Barring the possibility of a heart lead ruffed by HH on trick 1, my only losers are the three spades. I lose 28 points in spades so the other opponent will need to throw at least 32 points on these three tricks to defeat me.
Grand is safer than hearts, where I might well additionally lose a trick to the HJ. The spade contract is pretty safe. In this case I will trump an opening diamond lead with S7, lead my top trumps, and then if the HJ has not appeared I will run my hearts from the top. I could lose if the trumps are 5-0, but not if they are 4-1. My feeling is that Grand is still the most profitable contract, but I have not tried to calculate the probabilities.

Re: Is it bad to have seven trumps?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:49 pm
by Mike Tobias