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British Skat Association • View topic - Four-ace hands on 22nd March
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Four-ace hands on 22nd March

PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:04 pm
by John McLeod

Re: Four-ace hands on 22nd March

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:20 pm
by Mike Tobias
On board 9, the full hands were:
FH
C. A8
S. ATK
H. AT98
D. A

MH
J. S
C.
S. Q8
H. K7
D. TKQ87

HH
J. CHD
C. TK97
S. 9
H. Q
D. 9

Sk. CQ, S7

As HH, my 48 wasn't Clubs with 3, I'd decided to commit to a risky Grand, which could equally (or more likely) have been with long diamonds. From your point of view, I could also have been bidding NHO, so it would indeed have been craven to pass 48, you were simply unlucky: there's always a risk with AT,AT,A,A that one suit won't carry.

Interestingly, the Skat would have given me my Grand, and MH a (completely unbiddable) null ouvert.

In hand 11, you're right to bid that hand, you were just unlucky again. Firstly with the Skat, and secondly from the Duplikat perspective, that Maxine bid over 27 in HH, and Alban didn't. I think Alban was correct: HH needs to keep the two suit option, but Maxine committed to Clubs and got away with it.

After the hand, you said you maybe should have put the trump Ace into the Skat as it wouldn't get home otherwise; you haven't mentioned that in the analysis.

Re: Four-ace hands on 22nd March

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:34 pm
by John McLeod

Re: Four-ace hands on 22nd March

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:58 pm
by Mike Tobias
Suppose you'd played Grand, what would've been the correct lead for FH?
C: K9
S: T98
H: TQ8
D: K

I'd probably have led HQ, which would've given you 62pts running your Aces. In general, is that the correct lead against a Grand, or should you lead low under the ten? Same question for TK8

Re: Four-ace hands on 22nd March

PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:06 pm
by John McLeod
I am unsure about what is best. I used always to lead the next card below the 10, perhaps because of something I once read in one of Joe Wergin's articles, but nowadays I would normally lead the 8 from TQ8 because it saves us 3 points if declarer plays the ace. From TK8 I would still be inclined to lead the king because I would be worried that leading the 8 might give away a whole trick and tempo if declarer decides to play the queen from AQ. I suspect that neither policy is correct all the time.